Genesis P-Orridge: Caitlyn Jenner should ‘stop being a spokesperson

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Genesis P-Orridge has questioned whether Caitlyn Jenner can be called a spokesperson for the transgender community, saying she is “clueless” and “lives in her own bubble”.

During a wide ranging discussion on the Talkhouse podcast with Laura Jane Grace – lead singer of punk band Against Me! who came out as transgender in 2012 – the former Throbbing Gristle member said that Jenner’s problems (such as choosing which designer dress to wear) are nothing like those of most transgender people around the world.

“There are lots of teenage kids on the streets of New York who are hustling and risking Aids because they need to get money because they have to transition, they have to change, and they’re prepared to risk their lives because it’s such a deep need, and they don’t have that back-up system,” the Throbbing Gristle founder said.

He added: “Apparently Caitlyn is already saying things like, ‘It’s so difficult being a woman and having to decide which designer gown to wear when you go out at night’ and ‘who should do your hair’. That’s not being a woman, that’s being a glamorous Hollywood figure and that’s not how it is for most people.”

P-Orridge, who along with the rest of Throbbing Gristle was described as “wreckers of civilisation” by Tory MP Sir Nicholas Fairbairn, said that he appreciated the personal courage it took to come out, but that doesn’t mean Jenner should be a spokesperson for transgender people.

“We’re not saying Caitlyn isn’t courageous in terms of the personal experience, but the way it’s being presented by the media could end up being really, really damaging,” P-Orridge said.

“We actually saw one thing on the news and Caitlyn’s going, ‘I feel like I can be a spokesperson for the transgendered community.’ And then later on she says, ‘I actually don’t know any transsexuals.’ What the fuck, she’s going to be spokesperson? She hasn’t got a clue.”

P-Orridge said that Jenner couldn’t be a spokesperson because she doesn’t know what it’s like, “for the ladyboys in Bangkok, or the transsexuals in Japan or people in Russia”, and that she should “stop being a spokesperson”.

The pair also spoke about reincarnation and the human experience, adding: “The human body is not the person. Identity is the way the brain operates; it’s memories, it’s sensory input and output. The mind is the person.”

Jenner has been praised by many for helping to raise the profile of transgender issues. She could also face manslaughter charges following a car crash in February that killed one and injured seven.

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